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Boing Boing strikes gold – a new name for evolution denialists [denialism blog]: « 

Mark at Boing Boing proposes an excellent new name for Intelligent Design creationists – ‘cdesign proponentsists’. It’s in honor of this wonderful observation from ‘Of Pandas and People’ the creati … I mean cdesign proponentsists textbook:

This is one of numerous examples of their dishonesty in suggesting that they’re anything but creationists in disguise.

I like Mark’s idea, this should be their new name. It’s a bit of a compromise. They don’t want to be called creationists, and we don’t want them to get away with lying. It’s perfect!

Now as to the pronunciation. How about ‘see-design proponent cysts’?

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CIDiots would be more easy to use, I think. For the full name a new tag is on 😉

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Ignoranus

Ignoranus: A person who’s both stupid and an asshole.

I needed this word! It will be perfect for a few persons I’m talking about here. 🙂

HT grrlscientist

Now, what the f*uck is Mensa Invitational? Why the Washington Post ignore it? A hoax of some kind? Who cares? The word is perfect 😉

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Après Jean Staune présentant Vincent Fleury, voici Jerry Bergman soutenant StuartPivar et Lifecode.

Trouvé chez Denyse bien entendu qui s’est précipitée pour l’annoncer chez les IDiots.

Encore une fois où un couillon utilise le mot « théorie »à tort et à travers.

Conversely, Pivar proposes a radically new theory, of which parts may well have merit. Only time will tell. What he needs is empirical and experimental evidence.

Tiens, lui non plus n’a pas d’évidence expérimentale, c’est une épidémie 😀

Related : PZ Myers

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Dans mon e-mail :

Dear Bright

Brights Central is responding to a request by Atheist Alliance International President Margaret Downey (an Enthusiastic Bright) that we notify Brights of a one-time opportunity.

On September 29th at the AAI’s convention for atheists at Washington, DC, Enthusiastic Bright Daniel Dennett will be receiving the « 2007 Richard Dawkins Award » from Dawkins himself.

The convention (September 27-30) is sold out. However, speeches by Professors Dennett and Dawkins (also an Enthusiastic Bright) will be available on the Internet as live streaming video, and so will presentations by other notable atheists such as Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and Julia Sweeney.

The deadline to sign up at http://www.onsitestreaming.com and pay for streaming video is Sept. 19, 2007.

Details regarding this opportunity and a link to information on the AAI convention program are at: http://www.atheistalliance.org/conventions/2007/aaicon2007_video.php

DVDs of the events will also be available after the conference.

Note: There are charges for live streaming video and DVDs. (The Brights’ Net derives no income from this announcement.)

Bright Regards

Paul Geisert & Mynga Futrell, Co-directors

The Brights’ Net – Elevating the Naturalistic Worldview

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Quand je disais que de temps en temps il faut leur filer un lavement pour assainir l’atmosphère c’est de ce genre là que je parlais.

In which ERV eats SALs soul: « Oh dear. If you thought I was mean to Sal before, dont read this. On second thought, read this, and then tell me whether you still think I was too mean to Sal before. »

(Via ERV.)

Allez lire le reste, c’est un exemple à suivre.

Respects and love lady 😉

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Agathi

Je n’ai pas eu l’occasion de vous présenter Agathi,, qui est devenue membre de ce blog depuis quelue temps, parce qu’elle n’ pas posté quoi que ce soit encore ici (hey, nous somme là 😉 ).

Mais elle a entamé une discussion sur le forum ‘Scepticisme – Zététique » de SLT; le sujet est « Questions sur M. Denton et 2 objections au darwinisme« , lancé par une personne (EmmanuelD) qui n’a pas encore dépassé son premier post, comme ça semble être le cas avec d’autres fils de discussions qui tournent autour de la discussion anti- pro- Darwin.

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teaser: …I think it is patriotic to work on the separation of State and churches, not just Church, churches.


Clic for the blogswarm against theocracyNow, this one is a quite weird question, for a european, particularly for a greek (that’s me folks).

European populations/states fates were strongly influenced by their relations with churches and the actual political european landscape reflects those relations. Greece probably wouldn’t exist as such if the orthodox church didn’t preserved the greek language over four centuries of ottoman occupation. And didn’t helped to foment the revolution. Christians against muslims, that’s it. Not only, but part of it.

And sequels are always active. Look at the Cyprus’ actual condition.

So, would it be patriotic to separate the orthodox church from the greek-to-be-state at those times? Certainly not. And as a good greek I shouldn’t even use the word « greek » but rather hellene and I shouldn’t even talk about « Greece », but rather about Hellas. Greek was a pejorative term for greeks, that’s it 🙂 A turkish term, a muslim term.

Thus, once upon a time, the relation between the orthodox church and the potential greek state was symbiotic. That was under the ottoman occupation of Greece. Well, not exactly Greece, as Greece didn’t existed before 1826. We are talking about greek speaking populations, at least most of them speaking greek, well, a lot of them speaking greek. The church promoted greek language and transformed it progressively to national identity. They needed the language. The scriptures where translated in greek! Even an interesting piece was wrote directly in greek, John’s Apocalypse (my favorite SF reading, great stuff, always wondered on what he was tripping John).

The church conserved the language and by the same way they promoted faith to scriptures; easy stuff as they used the scriptures as teaching material. A win-win strategy. Win-win for the church, as Greece didn’t existed yet. It was rather the remnants of the byzantine empire. Half of the ex-roman empire. The greek part. The one that installed the christian religion as the official empire’s one. Old collaboration, going back to Constantine.

Later, once the greek state Hellas was built up, the church used it to reinforce it’s position as the main source of morality and ethics, using the statesmen as tools to implant the church’s policies. The relation was progressively transformed to a parasitic one.
As the political connexions with other european states gone beyond what the church had to offer the bonds weakened and recently the connexions between the church and the state was broken. Recently, that is 1982! Look at the greek hellenic flag: A cross… It will be difficult to change this one, so I prefer the european flag. Not very patriotic isn’t it?

An interesting (I hope) anecdote: when I was 16 yo I went to the nearest police station to get my identity card; Athens, Vyronas. Those days the religion was an item marked on ID cards! Already a convinced atheist, when the question « religion? » was announced I answered « none! ». The guy looked at me and asked the question again, received the same answer and this was repeated several times. Finally he stopped the exchange to inform me that « none » wasn’t a receivable answer, so kindly I changed it to « atheist ». Neither « atheist » was a receivable answer. So I changed it to « buddhist », after more than an hour of discussion. He said that I had to think about it and left me. He came back every 15 minutes to ask the same question again and again, receiving the same answer and each time he repeated that I had to think about that, consider the consequences of such a childish decision, the way that this could affect my future etc. Then the chief came to see me and this was the very first time I heard this question: « This isn’t a greek attitude, are you one of those anarchists? Or are you a patriot as anyevery greek should be? Greeks are orthodox christians, that’s it and everybody else is an enemy of the nation. We aren’t going to deliver a greek identity card to a fucking anarchist! » I tried to say something about the olympians and the greek identity but he didn’t listen, he continued to scream at me.
Finally I gave up (after almost 9 h), signaling that they forced me to tell a lie and that this was unethical and that they were the puppets of the church. For several years I went around with an ID labeled « christian, orthodox » discussing the fact that I was an atheist 🙂
Quite interesting the fact that greek communities around the world, the greek diaspora, are structured often (if not always) around the church and sometimes the pope is the teacher of greek (this is the case at Bordeaux).

Now, there is a difference, a huge difference, between church and religion. I could cope with the orthodox church but certainly not with orthodox christianity. Religions are irrational systems, churches highly organized social systems that have little to do with religions. The main problem of churches is that they need to show that they are connected with religions, to keep captive people hoping that their eternal souls will live in felicity in some other dimension. Dictating behaviors presumably imposed by some deity. Any deity, as long as it is sufficiently credible to have believers. States used that kind of persuasion (along with other tools of social management that churches may carry along, as torture, imprisonment, death sentences, etc) with the complicity of churches, and churches always found the way to be pleasant to states, collaborating with every kind of state that tolerated, or even better promoted, them. If churches aren’t connected with the state they aren’t any better than NGOs. And churches are felling the end coming and react. The better they can, to avoid the change of status.

Science is killing the dogmas of the three main monotheist religions and rip credibility off the three main churches. Democracy is killing lords and between them the Lords. Freedom of speech is killing the unquestionability of religious leaders as they fail to answer simple questions or even they manage to worsen their positions giving laughable answers. Even believers question them, I mean believers of their corresponding religions.

Well, well, well… What churches have to offer to modern states? Nothing really beneficial, certainly troubles, as more and more people become non believers and prefer to build morality and ethics on rationalism rather than pseudo-revelations. Maybe the relation between states and churches shift progressively from symbiotic to parasitic. In that case, if states, statesmen and peoples understand that churches are mostly parasitic it will become highly patriotic to get rid the state from the parasite.

Bottom line, I think it is highly patriotic to work on the separation of State and churches, not just Church, churches. Nothing to do with what people believes or not, just taking down parasites.


Blue Gal organized and the stuff is here

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